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    Fat Jockey (ridden out claim) riccirich's Avatar
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    Sutton place coral cup if they can get him to the track, and fighter Allen maybe? Solely because of his relation to envoi and the fact they gave him his first run in a fairly good race
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    Darling Daughter.
    Those of us at the Monday Cheltenham Town FV preview evening will know this one is well thought of and they were expecting a decent run in the bumper, didn’t materialise so may well be one for the County/M Pipe next year...
    What was said about her at the preview night of what you can remember? Great night there with davy been to it many of times it’s like a treat on Cheltenham eve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatjockey69 View Post
    What was said about her at the preview night of what you can remember? Great night there with davy been to it many of times it’s like a treat on Cheltenham eve.
    Not sure FJ69 but think it was Davy Russell who talked about the horse, he seemed quite animated when talking about the horse I think.
    Big Chang does that preview too, any recollection BC ?

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    I don't remember them talking about Darling Daughter , but i remember .
    when she won at Leopardstown on 2nd feb.
    hosed up !,, and i backed G.E's other runner !.
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    Here's Gordon"s handicap race-by-race record at the festival over the last 5 years:

    Ultima: 5 runners, 0 wins, 1 placed, 4 unplaced

    Close B: 6 runners, 0 wins, 2 placed, 4 unplaced

    Coral : 11 runners, 1 win, 3 placed, 7 unplaced

    Fred W: 14 runners, 2 wins, 4 placed, 8 unplaced

    Pertm: 9 runners, 3 wins, 6 placed, 0 unplaced

    Plate: 4 runners, 1 win, 1 place, 2 unplaced

    Kim Muir: 7 runners, 2 wins, 1 placed, 4 unplaced

    County: 9 runners, 0 wins, 0 placed, 9 unplaced

    Grand A: 4 runners, 1 win, 1 placed, 2 unplaced

    Martin P: 17 runners, 2 wins, 5 placed, 10 unplaced
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    That pertemps records of 9 runners, 3 winners and 6 places is crazy. He’s the king of getting them qualified

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    Excellent work Norton’s, thank you. Gordon Elliot has a really good record in the Fred Winter, Pertemps, Plate and Martin Pipe. Definitely going to be backing all his runners in those races next festival.

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    I wonder if Commander of Fleet will be back next season - and how high or low they will fly with him.

    Currently rated 149 over hurdles, he'd be a weapon off likely top weight in the Pertemps if they decided to ease him back quietly.

    He'd also take some beating in the NH Chase or the KM if they decided to send him chasing.

    Course, they could go for the Stayers Hurdle or the RSA if they feel he is still bound for the top.

    Just read Gordon's comments before he pulled up at Punchestown a year ago and he obviously rated the horse very highly.

    He was only a five-year-old when he went down to Minello Indo by 2 lengths in the AB last year. CoF beat Allaho by 7 lengths and Lisnagar Oscar by almost 14lengths.

    I don't know what the injury was. The race report said he was found to be lame behind.

    Hills go 25-1 twar which would be reasonable value if you knew he was likely to be fully fit for next season.

    The previous year at the Punchestown Festival he won the 50k bumper on his racecourse debut -giving our old friend Column of Fire 5lbs and an 8-length beating.
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    Here's Willie's Festival handicap record over the last 5 years:

    2016

    Runners: 15
    Wins. 0
    Place (2-5) 3
    Unplaced. 12

    Stake 1ew: 30
    Return: 13.20
    Loss: 16.80. (-56%)

    Stake 1win: 15
    Return: 0
    Loss: 15. (-100%)

    2017

    Runner: 9
    Wins: 1
    Placed: 0
    Unplaced. 8

    Stake 1 ew: 18
    returns: 26
    Profit: 8 (+44.4%)

    Stake 1win: 9
    Returns: 21
    Profit: 12. (+133.3%)

    2018

    Runners: 15
    Wins: 1
    Placed: 2
    Unplaced: 12

    Stake 1ew: 30
    Return: 33.40
    Profit: 3.40. (+11.3%)

    Stake 1 win: 15
    Return: 21
    Profit: 6. (+40%)

    2019

    Runners: 16
    Wins: 0
    Placed: 3
    Unplaced: 13

    Stake 1ew: 32
    Return: 11.30
    Loss: 21.70. (-67.8%)

    Stake 1 win: 16
    Return: 0
    Loss: 16. (-100%)

    2020

    Runners: 18
    Wins: 1
    Placed: 3
    Unplaced 14

    Stake 1ew: 36
    Return: 24.40
    Loss: 11.60. (-32.2%)

    Stake 1 win: 18
    Return: 6.5
    Loss: 11.5. (-63.8%)

    Overall record:

    Runners: 73
    Wins: 3 (4.1%)
    Placed: 11 (15%)
    Unplaced: 59. (80.8%)

    Race by race breakdown over last 5 years:

    Ultima: Runners 1, wins 0, placed 0, unplaced 1
    Close B: Runners. 3, wins 0, placed 0, unplaced 3
    Coral: Runners. 24, wins 1, placed 2, unplaced. 21
    Fred W: Runners. 3, wins 0, placed 1, unplaced 2
    Pertemps: Runners 1, wins 0, placed 0, unplaced 1
    Brown: Runners 5, wins 0, placed 1, unplaced 4
    Kim Muir: Runners 3, wins 0, placed 0, unplaced 3
    County: Runners. 18, wins 2, placed 5, unplaced 11
    Martin P: Runners 12, wins 0, placed 2, unplaced 10
    Grand An:Runners 3, wins 0, placed 0, unplaced 3

    As Kev pointed out, using Charlie's Willie handicap stats for 2008-18, the only handicaps Mullins targets at the Festival are the County, the Coral and to a numerically smaller extent the Pipe.

    Backing Willie's runners blindly at SP in the County over the last 5 years would have made a profit:

    Stake 1ew: 36
    Return: 50.80
    Profit: 14.80 (+41.1%)

    Stake 1 win: 18
    Return: 27.50
    Profit: 9.50. (+52.7%)


    Backing Willie blindly at sp win or each way in any other handicap would have made a loss.

    Here is the Coral outcome"

    Stake 1ew: 48
    Return: 35.20
    Loss: 12.80. (-26.6%)

    Stake win 1: 24
    Return: 21
    Loss: 3 (-12.5%)


    Gordon has only sent out 13 more runners than Willie over the last five years:


    Runners: 86
    Wins: 12 (13.9%)
    Placed: 24 (27.9%)
    Unplaced. 50 (58%)
    Last edited by nortonscoin200; 17th May 2020 at 11:13 AM.

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