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    Elegant Escape was 6/6 last time he ran, beaten 55L. Has to prove he's still the same horse and the GC didn't leave a mark.

    Has never won first time out.

    His best RPR was a defeat to Frodon who was using the race as a prep for the Ryanair and therefore couldn't be taken too literally as a gauge of EE's level.

    This race wouldn't be his main target either, it'll be a prep to bring him along nicely with a view to winning a National of some sort, as he's not a 3 miler.




    How much of that is unreasonable?

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    Most of its unreasonable.

    You recognise that Frodon was using the race as a prep for the ryanair but you fail to recpgnise that EE was using the race as a prep for the gold cup. That race suited Frodon as he controlled a stop start pace. EE would destroy Frodon in a strongly run race.

    Its unreasonable to say that EE isnt a 3 miler as he won over 3miles last season, he won over 3miles and 2m 7 1/2 f the season before.

    This race wouldnt be his main target you are correct though it wouldnt be the main target of probably any of the runners? The gold cup is the target for EE and it has always been.

    So to summarise most of what you said is unreasonable.

    Elegant Escape will destroy the mare on Saturday assuming she turns up.

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    Its also outrageous to claim that EE has never won 1st time up as he won first time up in 2016 as a hurdler amd he alo won 1st time up in 2018. He was 2nd 1st time up in 2017.
    He has an excellent record fresh and has clearly won 1st time out.


    So to recap every single claim you made was completely unreasonable.

    As for h being 6/6 at Aintree did you watch that race? The horse was tired after a tough season.
    I can assure you that Le Bague has a lot more to prove having never raced outside novice company over fences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELEGANTLY TASTED View Post

    Elegant Escape will destroy the mare on Saturday assuming she turns up.
    That last line is what makes you so hard to talk to on here and yes I did just make up the first time out stat. I was on him for that win against Thomas Patrick... or I was on Thomas Patrick. I can't remember

    You probably don't remember, but I had also backed Elegant Escape last year, I quite him like, however to say people are in cloud cuckoo land for fancying La Bague Au Roi is odd.


    The close form that La Bague Au Roi had with Topofthegame, Lostintranslation and Santini and their respective places in the Gold Cup markets now (those all being much shorter for the Gold Cup than Elegant Escape), combined with her FTO record are enough for me to think there prices are the other way round.



    If I was being reasonable, we could agree that at the moment we don't know if those prices for last seasons novice chasers are right, and they could all flop and not be up to Elegant Escape's level. I can admit that, but in a game of opinions I'm very happy to back any of those horses improving past Elegant Escape, when they are a bigger price for me than he is to find out.
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    Its completely acceptable for me to state that I think Elegant Escape will destroy Le Bague Au Roi. Its identically acceptable and the same as people saying Le Bague Au Roi will easily beat Elegant Escape.

    Its called having an opinion
    My opinion is as stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELEGANTLY TASTED View Post
    Its completely acceptable for me to state that I think Elegant Escape will destroy Le Bague Au Roi. Its identically acceptable and the same as people saying Le Bague Au Roi will easily beat Elegant Escape.

    Its called having an opinion
    My opinion is as stated.
    Your reputation does procede you - There are opinions and then there are comments just to be facetious and/or provoking (and I know all about those too )



    You've put up some good tips recently which is great to see I look forward to some more of that.

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    9/2 available on the legend. Hopefully the masses will keep backing Le Bague Au Roi and we may even see some 5/1 or 11/2 even. Holding my bet for now in the hope of a better price but will watch the market closely and will be on by Thursday morning at the latest.

    The Charlie Hall Chase 2019 poem is imminent and is something to look forward to for the team.

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    Having looked at the runners in depth the only horse that Team Elegant Escape have to beat is the old rival BALLYOPTIC.
    The team are not predicting any problems at all here.

    FIRST WE RUN AT WETHERBYS
    AND BULLY THE TREES
    THEN WE CAUSE A SHOCK
    WHEN WE WIN AT HAYDOCK

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    Bet officially placed. The team are on.

    win- ELEGANT ESCAPE 9/2

    I just cant see it getting any bigger so have took the 9/2 on what should ultimately be 1/2fav Elegant Escape, 4/1 Ballyoptic and any price you want on the rest.

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    The Charlie Hall chase with its 18 tough fences is usually won by an experienced horse. The only horse this century to have won this race on his 1st run outside of novice company was SILVIANO CONTI who was sent off just 4/1 to win the gold cup that season but fell in the race.
    No mare has won this race in the last 40 years at least possibly never.

    LE BAGUE AU ROI is unbeaten in 2 runs at Wetherby but both of those races were in mares only races over 2 miles. It bears little relevance to her chance against the big boy over 3m 1f in a grade 2 open race.
    She was firmly put in her place by KALASHNIKOV when last seen. That isnt form that even remotely scares THE LEGEND. EE is rated 9lb higher but only has to give her 8lb so even taking the OR literally EE beats her but THE LEGEND will be rated 174 plus by the end of the season when he wins The Gold Cup. She will get absolutely destroyed by ELEGANT ESCAPE if she even turns up. The intermediate at Carlisle seems a much more sensible idea for her and absolutely no surprise if she ends up in that race. If she turns up she gets dealt with. Should be 40/1 plus.

    ASO is being aimed at the 2m 4f Ryan Air and may run here or at Ascot. Either way his mark flatters him and will drop this year. Connections just want to get a run into him and he will be in need of the run whichever race he goes. Not a hope of competing with a legend over this trip.

    BLACK CORTON is nothing more than a toy of ELEGANT ESCAPES. He hilariouslt has to give the Legend 2lb if he turns up. Will be well beaten in both this race and the ascot race and they will be happy to see him well beaten this time. Eyes on a future big handicap and not winning any race this weekend.

    DEFINITELY RED is now in his 10yo/11yo season and is probably a horse in decline now. This will be his 3rd run in this race and although he won this last year he only had 3 rivals and the 2nd fav fell which ultimately meant he had an open goal and beat just 2 horses to win. This years renewal is far more competive and he wont be winning this time no matter how good the form of Ellison is right now.

    TOP VILLE BEN is having his first chase run outside of novice company and doesnt look good enough. His Aintree 3rd flattered him and Topofthegame wasnt at his best in that race. Lostintranslation brushed him aside easily.
    He cannot possibly beat EE here getting jist 4lb. His 2 chase wins were in a class 4 and 3 novice. Out of his league in this race.

    MOLLY THE DOLLY is a mare who has had just 4 chase races. Skelton yard have barely got going yet. She is out of her league here and could be as much as 2 fences behind EE here assuming she is at her best which she probably wont be. No hoper.

    VINDICATION is having his first run outside of novice company and has had just 4 chase starts. He is also only a 6yo and although BRISTOL DE MAI won this as a 6yo he was actually having his 15th chase start and vastly experienced.
    This is merely an education for VINDICATION.

    DOUBLE SHUFFLE has ran in the last 2 grand nationals as well as falling in this race last year. He wont be getting any better and the stable is hardly on fire. Target will assumingly be the national again and he wont be involved in this race if he turns up.

    JETT is popping over for a day out he turns up fit having had 2 runs but we know his limits after 34 career starts and he isnt gopd enough to win this race.


    ATLANTA BLAZE is the 33/1 outsider but she would be of no interest even at 200/1.


    The race comes down to the old rivals BALLYOPTIC and ELEGANT ESCAPE. They have met 4 times over fences.
    The first time they met was at exeter over 3m, the race was a farce and was almost walked for the first mile, Ballyoptic simply took advantage of the race turning into a sprint and it was form tp forget about.
    EE has won all 3 meetings since, In the RSA, The Kauto Star novice chase at kempton and the Welsh Grand national where the Champ battered him like a sausage in a chip shop 26 lengths plus behind.

    Twiston Davies has a good record in the race and he will have Ballyoptic ready here but once the champ passes this horse then the race is over as a contest. ELEGANT ESCAPE pulls clear.

    THIS WARM UP WAS FUN
    BUT NEXT UP ITS GRADE 1
    THE BETFAIR CHASE
    WHERE ITS THE LEGEND WHOS THE NEW ACE

    https://youtu.be/MbsuAbTTsV8
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