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2020 Grand National

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  • #76
    Originally posted by PadstheFish View Post
    Elegant Escape sees my shilling, as does another horse already mentioned by you shrewdies, in KIMBERLITE CANDY (20s generally).

    KC is the #1 selection on Soft ground.

    - There's a big contrast with Elegant Escape (Welsh GN winner at 6 years old), insofar as Kimberlite Candy has been afforded time by connections to mature into a steeplechaser, and is doing well this year - his third over fences.

    - Good first run this season in December's Becher Chase (3m2f, soft, 18 runners) over the GN fences - staying-on 2nd (2.5l) off OR137 to Walk In The Mill. This was followed by a good win in the Warwick Classic (3m5f, soft, 13 runners, carrying 11st4), by 10l. RPRs gave him 157, with the handicapper going up to 150, his GN mark.

    - This is very similar to a certain One For Arthur's prep in 2017. Even the way the races were run - One For Arthur staying on in the Becher, too - is similar. Both eight years old in these iterations, and off the same marks, and heading to Aintree off an 80-odd day break.

    Sure, the break length is relatively unusual, but One For Arthur’s the only GN winner for 30+ years without a post-weights prep, but he’s set the precedent, and both Durham Edition (1990, 102 days) and Mely Moss (2000, 345 days) came within 1 1/4l of winning with a longer break.

    Also, Kimberlite Candy goes well fresh: won or near-missed (i.e. <4L or so) on return from three of his last four breaks of 50 days or more.

    - While Soft is the ideal ground here - with two inadequate runs last season over 3m5f/more on quicker going - his Eider performance is better than suggested. A 14l fifth was after a poor start to the race on the better side of Good to Soft. While he's improving and getting stronger, cut is still more desirable.

    - Two prior runs counts against him, though (One For Arthur had a prep at Kelso also): Miinnehoma (1994) the last winner with less than three, but a few have come home second since then with similarly light campaigns - Suny Bay, Mely Moss (no runs!), Clan Royal, Black Apalachi, Cappa Bleu and Pleasant Company.

    - Slated to carry 10st 4lbs if Tiger Roll runs, and 10st 12lbs if not. Either way, this still makes it possibly winnable - One For Arthur carried 10st 11lbs in 2017.

    - Of 15 chases, 10 have been at 3 miles or longer, and he has a 50% win or near-miss (<4L) record.

    - Pedigree is absolutely fantastic for a GN winner and staying chaser:

    From the family of high-class stayer Beau and half-brother to Hawkes Point (close 2nd in Welsh GN);
    Sire - Flemensfirth (sire of 3 GN runners-up – King John’s Castle, The Last Samuri and Magic Of Light);
    Damsire - Be My Native (dam-sire of GN runner-up Black Apalachi [and Native River come to that]);
    Dam-side - both Wild Risk X Factor (Le Bavard), and Menelek is involved as third damsire (sired Rag Trade and Hallo Dandy), and Menelek mares have always been a big quality source for staying chasers.

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    If it's soft then KC has a huge, huge chance.
    Top top work!

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    • #77
      ....ATR reporting it’s owner saying Native River not a certain National runner as the Gold Cup remains the priority.
      Last edited by Eggs; 13 February 2020, 08:05 AM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Eggs View Post
        ....ATR reporting it’s owner saying Native River not a certain National runner as the Gold Cup remains the priority.
        There was an interview on the RP website last night to that effect.
        Putting a link up here is way beyond my capabilities but it’s still there if anyone wants to read...

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        • #79
          Alright. GN Trial on Sat at Haydock, weather permitting. A few horses such as Lord du Mesnil, Vintage Clouds, Elegant Escape etc involved. But it's worth having a look in more depth at - and backing - Yala Enki (28/1 with Betfair, 1/5 1-5 current best odds):

          - According to the model, a safe trip (irrespective of result) will complete a good profile for either strong place potential (good-to-soft) or win potential (soft), no matter of any weight-rise. C&D winner at Haydock. Cut in the ground suits both here and at Aintree: a win or near-miss (<4L) will put him in the same must-have category as Kimberlite Candy.

          - Good result in the Welsh GN (3m 6f, heavy, carrying 11st7) in December: staying on for third (3L). Has 9lbs on EE and Potters Corner for the GN, taking that result into account. The 2018 Welsh GN (11st11, heavy, 3rd by 5L) also helps prospects.

          - OR157 for Aintree. This means carrying a very appealing 10st11 if Tiger Roll runs, or 11st5 if the top four in the weights don't. That’s no worry for him given his profile - and might even help adding weight to rivals, given his stamina.

          - First time at Aintree but 93% chase completion record (25 of 27 chases, only fall was at the 1st in a race at Sandown in 2018, one PU - eight chases in France also)

          - Stamina a huge asset: has made the frame in 80% of chases in the UK on 3m5f or further (only time he didn't was on Good ground), compared to a 29% place rate over shorter.

          - Quick surface wouldn't be good (not won on better than Good to Soft), but the National trip length lends a counterpoint. Worth also considering that the Ladbrokes Trophy, on Good to Soft in November, was actually ~4s quicker than standard. On that - his debut for the season - under a new trainer and post-wind op, he jumped and travelled well, at a decent clip and with the pace that day, under 11.07 before being outpaced about a mile out (no surprise as he's a true stayer).

          - Pedigree has stamina all over it: sired by Nickname (168 rated), damsire sired Big Bucks and Long Run - though there's no particular Grand National credentials here, it's still a good addition to the CV.

          - Races up with the pace so we won't have traffic issues, and Bryony Frost likely on board (5th in 2018 with Milansbar).

          - Nicholls has made comparisons to Neptune Collonges (though NC was able to compete in Grade 1s). French, stamina, having a final prep at Haydock 49 days before the GN, as their fourth race of the season - in the sweet spot for previous winners.

          Shillings on Yala Enki!

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          For the others - One For Arthur needs a win, as does Ballyoptic (who's on too high a mark IMO), to figure in the places. That said, the latter has unhappy Aintree memories.

          Vintage Clouds (who retains ability but unhappy at Aintree also), Steely Addition and Lord du Mesnil also don't quite make the cut for the GN win/place, regardless of this Saturday.

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          • #80
            good work pads !

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            • #81
              ....Tiger Roll given green light for the National;

              Tiger Roll will run in the Randox Health Grand National, provided all goes well at Navan this weekend and then at the Cheltenham Festival.

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              • #82
                the 1/10 guy at betvictor will be relieved.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Eggs View Post
                  ....Tiger Roll given green light for the National;

                  https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/...n-light/177302
                  Funny that.
                  O’Leary really can be a clown...

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                  • #84
                    To be fair to them he did take a wobble after the line last year. It would be the mother and father of disasters for jumps racing if anything happened him.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by mayo View Post
                      To be fair to them he did take a wobble after the line last year. It would be the mother and father of disasters for jumps racing if anything happened him.
                      Absolutely, but he stood on the Cheltenham podium and told the world the horse wouldn't go to Aintree.
                      I really think he just seeks and encourages attention at every opportunity, sad really because the horse is an International hero...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                        Funny that.
                        O’Leary really can be a clown...
                        Loves the attention doesn't he.

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                        • #87
                          Added Traffic Fluide at 50/1. Not ideal falling like that, but was running a mighty race. Hopefully they can get a nice easy confidence booster into him between now and then.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
                            Added Traffic Fluide at 50/1. Not ideal falling like that, but was running a mighty race. Hopefully they can get a nice easy confidence booster into him between now and then.
                            ...backed it yesterday @ 75-1 (with boost), so disappointed it fell. I think it still needs to complete a chase to qualify.

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                            • #89
                              ....Mark Howard goes for Any Second Now @25-1 in his Monday Sporting Life column.

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                              • #90
                                Anyone who has backed and has cash out, I'd have thought that Cadmium running over 2m on Sunday means that he's very unlikely to qualify for the National. You can never say never with Willie but he must be well odds on to come out at the next forfeit stage.
                                Last edited by archie; 21 February 2020, 01:46 PM.

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