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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    Only covers handicaps this Kev, Gold Cups and Foxhunters in which he excelled over the years aren’t included.

    If you get time Charlie I’d be interested to see Jonjo’s record....
    Yeah I kn ow that, it's just surprising though isn't it... it's not like he doesn't have horses winning big staying handicaps every single season.... just seems odd they're not at the festival?

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    Maybe that’s why his ‘cappers don’t win at the festival, poor runs on wrong ground/wrong trips are the way to festival ‘capping glory surely ?

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    Fantastic work Charlie. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    Maybe that’s why his ‘cappers don’t win at the festival, poor runs on wrong ground/wrong trips are the way to festival ‘capping glory surely ?
    Aye, could well be a factor.

    ...and yeah, good work Charlie, your company are not as lucky to have you as we are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istabraq View Post
    Only covers handicaps this Kev, Gold Cups and Foxhunters in which he excelled over the years aren’t included.

    If you get time Charlie I’d be interested to see Jonjo’s record....
    No problem, done.

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    Jonjo O'Neill Handicap Performance 2008 – 2018

    Ultima
    15 / 3 / 2 / 1
    2014 – Holywell 10/1
    2012 - Alfie Sherrin 14/1
    2009 - Wichita Lineman 5/1f

    Close Brothers
    8 / 0 / 1 / 1

    Cross Country (Handicap from 2008 – 2015)
    1 / 0 / 0 / 0

    Coral Cup
    8 / 0 / 0 / 3

    Pertemps
    15 / 1 / 0 / 0
    2013 – Holywell 25/1

    Brown Advisory
    10 / 0 / 3 / 1

    Kim Muir
    19 / 1 / 0 / 1
    2012 – Sunnyhillboy 13/2f

    Martin Pipe
    10 / 0 / 0 / 0

    County Hurdle
    10 / 0 / 0 / 2

    Grand Annual
    8 / 0 / 0 / 1

    Summary

    Total Handicap Runners: 104
    Winners: 5 (4.8%)
    Placed: 10 (10%)
    Losing Favourites: 6 (5.7%)


    3 out of 5 of his winners have been in the Ultima.

    He has never won the Close Brothers, Cross Country, Brown Advisory, Martin Pipe, County Hurdle or Grand Annual. He has sent more runners to the Kim Muir than any other race and had more losing favourites than any other race.

    A £10 level stake across all his handicap runners from 2008-2018 would leave you down £385

    Season / Cheltenham Winners / Handicap Entries / Total NH Runners

    2018 – 0 – 3 - 553
    2017 – 0 – 10 - 689
    2016 – 0 – 17 - 560
    2015 – 0 – 9 - 634
    2014 – 1 – 13 - 810
    2013 – 1 – 11 - 705
    2012 – 2 – 8 - 649
    2011 – 0 – 7 – 750
    2010 – 0 – 12 - 723
    2009 – 1 – 14 - 623
    2008 – 0 – 6 – 716

    Conclusion

    It’s been a quiet few years at Cheltenham for Jonjo with all his winners coming between 2009 – 2014. He had his lowest number of total runners last season and lowest number of Cheltenham handicap entries last year

    Holywell accounts for 2 of his 5 wins in handicaps at Cheltenham. Hardly crept in at 11/22 in the weights in the Pertemps Final and 6/23 in the weights when winning the Ultima. Alfie Sherrin actually was a bit of a plot (which I covered in the JP thread).

    Similarly to others analysed, his ratio of winners to losing favourites is similar with 5 winners and 6 losing favourites (Pipe had 11 losing favourites and 10 winners, Nicholls had 10 losing favourites and 12 winners).

    Outside of Holywell all his winners have been JP MacManus owned. Bar Johns Spirit, all of his losing favourites have also been owned by JP MacManus:

    Alfie Sherrin, Sunnyhillboy – Ultima
    Kia Kaha – Close Brothers
    Colour Squadron, Sunnyhillboy – Close Brothers

    This prompted me to look at horses that are JP owned and non-JP owned

    Ultima – 7 v 8
    Close Brothers – 4 v 4
    Cross Country 1 v 0
    Coral Cup – 5 v 3
    Pertemps – 11 v 4
    Brown Advisory 5 v 5
    Kim Muir 10 v 9
    Martin Pipe 7 v 3
    County 7 v 3
    Grand Annual 8 v 0 (5 for Eastlake)

    63% of his 104 handicap entries have been owned by JP MacManus, with 5/6 of his losing favourites being owned by JP MacManus. I’d say they are more heavily punted than most.

    I've had plenty of great days backing Jonjo's but cant help feeling most of those days are behind me now.

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    Jonjo O'Neil is rubbish.
    The horses he's been given and what he's done with them is poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quevega View Post
    Jonjo O'Neil is rubbish.
    The horses he's been given and what he's done with them is poor.
    He was sensational between 2002-4 and seems to have just tailed off since. Graded wins in last few years also increasingly sparse - his last Grade 1 was More of That in 2014 World Hurdle. I still think he might have one for Jonjo Jr in the Martin Pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayo View Post
    He was sensational between 2002-4 and seems to have just tailed off since. Graded wins in last few years also increasingly sparse - his last Grade 1 was More of That in 2014 World Hurdle. I still think he might have one for Jonjo Jr in the Martin Pipe.
    His lad is keeping the yard going, looks a good jockey.

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    Will do Henderson tomorrow.

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