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    Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2019

    Decided itís time to fire this one up, as there are quite a few horses we are all interested in who could be lining up in it.

    Commander of Fleet 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Goffs bumper at Punchestown in his first start for Gordon Elliott a PtP win suggests he will have no issues going over obstacles.
    He could well start out over two miles but I'd expect that he will eventually come into his own over longer trips.
    - Gordon Elliott


    Relegate 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Cheltenham Bumper, she then disappointed at Punchestown finished 7th. Mullins has a lot of promising youngsters so her participation is now where near guaranteed with the Mares Novice an option

    Danny Kirwan best priced 20/1 Betfair as low as 16/1
    Looked a promising type before disappointing at Aintree. Again a former winning PtP on soft-heavy suggests he will stay and jump fine, could be the one to bring znicholls back into Grade 1 contention
    i think the world of him
    - Paul Nicholls

    Envoi Allen best priced 20/1 (multiple) as low as 14/1 w/ Sky bet

    A huge price at the Cheltenham sales costing over £400,000 Envoi Allen hasnít been seen on course yet but has won a PtP. Absolutely no guarantee he will go here with Elliott saying he will start of in a bumper. The fact that he is 14/1 favourite with skybet is really interesting to me. Part of the hype maybe coming from the fact that he has come from the same place as Samcro.

    Blackbow best priced 25/1 w/ bet365 as low as 16/1(multiple)
    Favourite for the Cheltenham bumper he finished 5th after being a bit keen midrace, followed up with a good second at Punchestown. Won a bumper in England before being bought by Harold Kirk for Mullins (an unusual move as itís normally Irish PtP winners being taken the other way)

    Carefully selected best priced 25/1 w/bet365 as low as 16/1 (multiple)
    Another top Mullins bumper horse from last year finishing 2nd at Cheltenham and 3rd at Punchestown, a former PtP winner who I know a few are keen on for the AB showing that he has options.


    Other favourites
    Bullionaire - 20/1 only priced up by sky Bet, 2nd to Didtheyleaveuoutto at Ascot he was withheld from the major spring festivals but both races were on GS doesnít suggest worries about better ground

    Sebastopol - 20/1 only priced up by Skybet. Winner of his sole run a bumper in Ayr

    Asterion Forlonge - 20/1 only priced up by Paddy Power and Betfair. Won a 2m4 PtP but canít say Iíve heard of it.

    Others of interest include Tornado Flyer (25/1), Hollowgraphic (33/1), Coloumn of Fleet (33/1) and many more.


    Iíve mainly got this covered thanks to the any race(4U on Hollowgraphic @12/14 and 2.5U on Tornado Flyer)market but do have Hollowgraphic in a lucky 15 at 33/1
    Last edited by Hurricane fly; 01-22-2019 at 09:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane fly View Post
    Decided it’s time to fire this one up, as there are quite a few horses we are all interested in who could be lining up in it.

    Commander of Fleet 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Goffs bumper at Punchestown in his first start for Gordon Elliott a PtP win suggests he will have no issues going over obstacles.


    - Gordon Elliott


    Relegate 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Cheltenham Bumper, she then disappointed at Punchestown finished 7th. Mullins has a lot of promising youngsters so her participation is now where near guaranteed with the Mares Novice an option

    Danny Kirwan best priced 20/1 Betfair as low as 16/1
    Looked a promising type before disappointing at Aintree. Again a former winning PtP on soft-heavy suggests he will stay and jump fine, could be the one to bring znicholls back into Grade 1 contention


    - Paul Nicholls

    Envoi Allen best priced 20/1 (multiple) as low as 14/1 w/ Sky bet

    A huge price at the Cheltenham sales costing over £400,000 Envoi Allen hasn’t been seen on course yet but has won a PtP. Absolutely no guarantee he will go here with Elliott saying he will start of in a bumper. The fact that he is 14/1 favourite with skybet is really interesting to me. Part of the hype maybe coming from the fact that he has come from the same place as Samcro.

    Blackbow best priced 25/1 w/ bet365 as low as 16/1(multiple)
    Favourite for the Cheltenham bumper he finished 5th after being a bit keen midrace, followed up with a good second at Punchestown. Purely a bumper horse with no ptP experience we will have to see how he jumps.

    Carefully selected best priced 25/1 w/bet365 as low as 16/1 (multiple)
    Another top Mullins bumper horse from last year finishing 2nd at Cheltenham and 3rd at Punchestown, a former PtP winner who I know a few are keen on for the AB showing that he has options.


    Other favourites
    Bullionaire - 20/1 only priced up by sky Bet, 2nd to Didtheyleaveuoutto at Ascot he was withheld from the major spring festivals but both races were on GS doesn’t suggest worries about better ground

    Sebastopol - 20/1 only priced up by Skybet. Winner of his sole run a bumper in Ayr

    Asterion Forlonge - 20/1 only priced up by Paddy Power and Betfair. Won a 2m4 PtP but can’t say I’ve heard of it.

    Others of interest include Tornado Flyer (25/1), Hollowgraphic (33/1), Coloumn of Fleet (33/1) and many more.


    I’ve mainly got this covered thanks to the any race(4U on Hollowgraphic @12/14 and 2.5U on Tornado Flyer)market but do have Hollowgraphic in a lucky 15 at 33/1
    Blackbow won a ptp. But a really good breakdown never the less, top job.
    Last edited by Scooby91; 10-08-2018 at 03:22 PM.

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    So he did! Updated with correction and much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane fly View Post
    Decided it’s time to fire this one up, as there are quite a few horses we are all interested in who could be lining up in it.

    Commander of Fleet 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Goffs bumper at Punchestown in his first start for Gordon Elliott a PtP win suggests he will have no issues going over obstacles.


    - Gordon Elliott


    Relegate 16/1 across the board
    Winner of the Cheltenham Bumper, she then disappointed at Punchestown finished 7th. Mullins has a lot of promising youngsters so her participation is now where near guaranteed with the Mares Novice an option

    Danny Kirwan best priced 20/1 Betfair as low as 16/1
    Looked a promising type before disappointing at Aintree. Again a former winning PtP on soft-heavy suggests he will stay and jump fine, could be the one to bring znicholls back into Grade 1 contention


    - Paul Nicholls

    Envoi Allen best priced 20/1 (multiple) as low as 14/1 w/ Sky bet

    A huge price at the Cheltenham sales costing over £400,000 Envoi Allen hasn’t been seen on course yet but has won a PtP. Absolutely no guarantee he will go here with Elliott saying he will start of in a bumper. The fact that he is 14/1 favourite with skybet is really interesting to me. Part of the hype maybe coming from the fact that he has come from the same place as Samcro.

    Blackbow best priced 25/1 w/ bet365 as low as 16/1(multiple)
    Favourite for the Cheltenham bumper he finished 5th after being a bit keen midrace, followed up with a good second at Punchestown. Won a bumper in England before being bought by Harold Kirk for Mullins (an unusual move as it’s normally Irish PtP winners being taken the other way)

    Carefully selected best priced 25/1 w/bet365 as low as 16/1 (multiple)
    Another top Mullins bumper horse from last year finishing 2nd at Cheltenham and 3rd at Punchestown, a former PtP winner who I know a few are keen on for the AB showing that he has options.


    Other favourites
    Bullionaire - 20/1 only priced up by sky Bet, 2nd to Didtheyleaveuoutto at Ascot he was withheld from the major spring festivals but both races were on GS doesn’t suggest worries about better ground

    Sebastopol - 20/1 only priced up by Skybet. Winner of his sole run a bumper in Ayr

    Asterion Forlonge - 20/1 only priced up by Paddy Power and Betfair. Won a 2m4 PtP but can’t say I’ve heard of it.

    Others of interest include Tornado Flyer (25/1), Hollowgraphic (33/1), Coloumn of Fleet (33/1) and many more.


    I’ve mainly got this covered thanks to the any race(4U on Hollowgraphic @12/14 and 2.5U on Tornado Flyer)market but do have Hollowgraphic in a lucky 15 at 33/1
    Nice start HF, was waiting for this race to pop up, I would have done it myself, but you certainly done a better job than I could have.

    Whilst there are plenty of likely challengers, as you have noted, I can't help but feel Hollowgraphic is the one for this race from the Mullins yard this season, and I have made a point across a couple of other threads on him too.

    Now to put his case forward, well, to be honest, there isn't a whole heap of backed up history to go at why he is my expected Mullins' top horse for it, but I have the following points:

    The yards last 2 winners, Yorkhill and Faugheen, were both held back from running at Cheltenham in the bumper, whether there were underlying issues, who really knows, but both did not run, and then subsequently ran in this race come the festival, Hollowgraphic ('supposed set back') also taken out of the bumper for the festival. Next Destination ran in the bumper the previous festival, and just managed a place as a novice hurdler this season, so I feel the lack of a run at the festival is actually a nod towards the positive box for me.

    His debut run under rules in the Goffs bumper was an extremely solid effort, and unlike some of those who finished in and around him that day he remained a bumper horse rather than choosing to jump a hurdle for another season which will have strengthened him further I'd suspect. His next bumper run under rules was extremely impressive, the way he drew clear on heavy ground to end up winning by 13 lengths suggests a step up in trip is definitely not out of the question. The way he cruised round horses to take it up that day also reminded me a little of Samcro, who done the same thing, but the likelihood is that Hollowgraphic won't come up against a Samcro this time around. This was only a minor observation and not for one minute saying Hollowgraphic is the next Samcro by any stretch, but the potential is there for sure. The form of this win is not without positives too, the 2nd placed horse that day has won twice since, also losing as well, but the wins are positive, the 3rd placed horse, who was 31 lengths behind Hollowgraphic that day has also been out and won twice, amongst a couple of losing efforts in the process too, and the 3rd placed horse, some 43 legnths away has won its only start since that race.

    Breeding, not something I have looked at extensively, so it may well be that the majority of runners come from sires known for being 'top class' over 12f, but like previous mentioned Mullins winners (Faugheen (by Germany) & Yorkhill (by Presenting)), Hollowgraphic comes from a 'top class' sire who at his best raced between 8-12f. Samcro was also by Germany, and Willoughby Court, interestingly and another positive for Hollowgraphic was sired by an unraced brother of Hollowgraphics sire, Beat Hollow, make of it what you will but it's looking good to me. Finally, just to complete the whole past 5 year, winning sire connection to 12f horses, Windsor Park was by Galileo, I'm hoping I don't have to discuss how good he was as a race horse or a sire, but again, another 'top class' 12f sire.

    That, I'm afraid, is pretty much all I have in my locker to back up my Hollowgraphic claims, enough for me to be on at that 33/1 though. Will also back the 'any race' market as cover.

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    This race is one of the main reasons I've used the 'Any Race' market this year.

    I would want the Elliott and Mullins horses onside when they line up, but trying to work that out this far in advance is impossible to a certain extent.

    Pym and Danny Kirwan were the other two I have looked at. But once again, I would be backing 'Any Race'. As there is always the chance they could even end up in a handicap at the festival.

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    This is one of those races i find very hard to get involved in so early...with the bingo that happens nearer March, you just can't be sure who will want to avoid eachother.

    Hollowgraphic looks good, but must be fragile....from what i've heard i wouldn't be in a rush to back him until you hear he's definitely returned to training lets just say that...

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    Commander of Fleet is one of my bigger antepost bets placed so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middle_Of_March View Post
    Commander of Fleet is one of my bigger antepost bets placed so far.
    and mine MoM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middle_Of_March View Post
    Commander of Fleet is one of my bigger antepost bets placed so far.
    He has to go down as a potential for sure, the problem with him is the Gigginstown/Samcro memories of last season are not just factored into his price but also fresh in the memory of many and therefore there must be some sort of bias (inevitably) towards him.

    I have this niggly feeling he could end up a Supreme horse though may well be wrong, which is why I'd prefer a boosted (WH) 12/1 'any race' than 16/1 for a specific race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
    He has to go down as a potential for sure, the problem with him is the Gigginstown/Samcro memories of last season are not just factored into his price but also fresh in the memory of many and therefore there must be some sort of bias (inevitably) towards him.

    I have this niggly feeling he could end up a Supreme horse though may well be wrong, which is why I'd prefer a boosted (WH) 12/1 'any race' than 16/1 for a specific race.
    I'd like to think that no one on here is backing CoF purely because of what Samcro did last season.

    The positive I read into it is that Gigginstown will likely target the Ballymore again with their best novice, given that they've suffered a couple of high profile defeats in the AB in the last few years with No More Heroes and Death Duty.

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